looks like both those articles are based on pyrs as 'Livestock Guardians' - not 'House Pets'
If a dog was not socialized to a leash...at an early age or on a regular basis... I suppose I could see why you would need a prong collar.
There is a really big difference between a house dog and an outside livestock guardian.
The Milk & honey people scare me. They don't show, they breed for livestock guardians and they don't seem to think their dogs need obedience training. I would probably want to look at them closer before considering half of what they said... I wouldn't want to make a judgement with so little evidence but... They raise my suspicions on the Back Yard Breeder scale - BUT I haven't examined their site fully so...just - I don't know anything about them.
I don't think my dogs need obedience training either, but all three of the pyrs that I've owned (house dogs) have done it at least briefly. Obedience classes are more for the owner than the dog anyway. As long as my dog recognizes that I'm the alpha... and more or less does what I need it to do... then fine but... They shouldn't be telling people 'we manage just fine without obedience training' on the internet! Because then people get the wrong impression.
Plus it looks like they don't have the best fencing or believe in it. #1 a loose pyr is a gone pyr. On lead or well secured fencing absolutely, absolutely imperative!
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Date: 2007-11-05 03:19 pm (UTC)If a dog was not socialized to a leash...at an early age or on a regular basis... I suppose I could see why you would need a prong collar.
There is a really big difference between a house dog and an outside livestock guardian.
The Milk & honey people scare me. They don't show, they breed for livestock guardians and they don't seem to think their dogs need obedience training. I would probably want to look at them closer before considering half of what they said... I wouldn't want to make a judgement with so little evidence but... They raise my suspicions on the Back Yard Breeder scale - BUT I haven't examined their site fully so...just - I don't know anything about them.
I don't think my dogs need obedience training either, but all three of the pyrs that I've owned (house dogs) have done it at least briefly. Obedience classes are more for the owner than the dog anyway. As long as my dog recognizes that I'm the alpha... and more or less does what I need it to do... then fine but... They shouldn't be telling people 'we manage just fine without obedience training' on the internet! Because then people get the wrong impression.
Plus it looks like they don't have the best fencing or believe in it. #1 a loose pyr is a gone pyr. On lead or well secured fencing absolutely, absolutely imperative!